1 00:00:07,190 --> 00:00:04,470 on august 31st a nasa team of experts 2 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:07,200 arrived in santiago for about a week as 3 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:09,840 part of nasa's commitment to provide u.s 4 00:00:14,549 --> 00:00:12,719 assistance nasa's assistance was only a 5 00:00:17,269 --> 00:00:14,559 small contribution to the chilean 6 00:00:19,349 --> 00:00:17,279 government's overall rescue effort 7 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:19,359 the nasa team included two medical 8 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:22,240 doctors a psychologist and an engineer 9 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:24,960 dr michael duncan deputy chief medical 10 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:27,359 officer and nasa space life sciences 11 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:29,519 directorate at nasa's johnson space 12 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:32,399 center in houston led the team the other 13 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:34,800 team members are physician j.d polk 14 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:37,200 psychologist al holland and engineer 15 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:44,869 the chileans 16 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:48,239 had a plan for refeeding 17 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:51,600 we reviewed that plan with them and 18 00:00:55,750 --> 00:00:53,920 basically you know agreed with the kinds 19 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:55,760 of things that they were doing 20 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:57,840 as we got to talking about things like 21 00:01:02,310 --> 00:00:59,840 vitamin d supplements 22 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:02,320 for example we talked to them about how 23 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,520 we do that 24 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:05,680 in our astronauts in space 25 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:07,040 and 26 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:09,920 you know those were the kinds of of 27 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:12,240 of recommendations that we or 28 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:18,789 for the ascent portion of this ride in 29 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:21,360 the rescue cage to the surface 30 00:01:24,789 --> 00:01:22,960 we 31 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:24,799 received varying 32 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:26,799 reports on how long that ride was going 33 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:27,920 to take 34 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:30,799 it is so cramped in there that you can't 35 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:32,799 move around much you can't flex your 36 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:35,439 muscles so you're in in essence 37 00:01:40,469 --> 00:01:38,000 standing at attention 38 00:01:42,389 --> 00:01:40,479 and any any military recruit that has 39 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:42,399 stand that had stood at attention for 40 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:44,640 any length of time knows uh the the risk 41 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:47,119 of fainting is is real 42 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:48,720 um so 43 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:51,680 you know the the idea of doing a fluid 44 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,560 load 45 00:01:56,310 --> 00:01:54,960 much like we do with our astronauts 46 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:56,320 of giving them 47 00:02:01,910 --> 00:01:59,200 giving the miners a 48 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:01,920 liquids that had carbohydrates in it had 49 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:03,280 electrolytes 50 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:05,520 and salt in it 51 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:08,000 all designed to increase their central 52 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:10,080 blood volume 53 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:12,080 we also suggested 54 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:14,319 things like compression stockings to the 55 00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:16,879 lower extremities and lower abdomen 56 00:02:22,630 --> 00:02:19,760 again to drive the blood centrally keep 57 00:02:26,630 --> 00:02:22,640 the blood pressure up and prevent the 58 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:30,150 as you get past the rescue phase 59 00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:32,720 of of extracting them directly out of 60 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:34,400 the mind 61 00:02:40,309 --> 00:02:37,760 one of our physicians is a 62 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:40,319 specialist in emergency 63 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:42,400 medical evacuation 64 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:44,560 and he talked to them a lot about you 65 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:47,599 know some things to consider 66 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:49,440 having a triage site 67 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:52,080 which the chileans had already you know 68 00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:53,360 planned for 69 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,599 but you know talking more about how we 70 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:57,680 would evacuate them from the site and 71 00:03:01,270 --> 00:02:59,680 get them to the hospital 72 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:01,280 and kind of you know help talk through 73 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,680 some plans there and i think that 74 00:03:08,309 --> 00:03:05,760 our chilean colleagues listened to that 75 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:08,319 and implemented a lot of things that 76 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:09,840 that you know he 77 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:14,790 the other thing that was very important 78 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:16,239 you know from 79 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:18,560 the standpoint of the care of the miners 80 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:20,720 was from the psychological support 81 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:22,640 standpoint and of course with our 82 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:25,360 long-duration crews we have 83 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:27,519 a team of experts 84 00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:30,000 that provide behavioral health and 85 00:03:33,509 --> 00:03:32,000 support not only of the astronaut but of 86 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:33,519 their families 87 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:34,799 and this 88 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:37,360 i think was an important contribution 89 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:40,480 that that we talked through with their 90 00:03:44,830 --> 00:03:43,040 psychologists that were topside at the 91 00:03:47,110 --> 00:03:44,840 mine 92 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:47,120 site in addition 93 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:48,000 the 94 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:57,040 is completed 95 00:04:03,110 --> 00:03:57,840 the 96 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:03,120 thinking 97 00:04:07,429 --> 00:04:05,680 uh you know completely outlined on how 98 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:07,439 they were going to handle the miners 99 00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:09,920 once they they they got them out and i 100 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:12,239 think we were able to you know provide 101 00:04:16,069 --> 00:04:14,480 some insights and and hopefully there 102 00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:16,079 are some things that they drew from that 103 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:18,079 that that were 104 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:20,880 important and that they've implemented 105 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:23,680 such things as the celebrity status of 106 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:25,520 the of the minor 107 00:04:28,629 --> 00:04:27,520 these guys were not prepared for that 108 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:28,639 and there's going to be a lot of 109 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:30,560 pressures on them from 110 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:32,240 society not only 111 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:34,000 locally but in their country and really 112 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:38,950 nasa's part in this 113 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:40,080 was 114 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:42,240 you know just one small part and a very 115 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:44,560 uh overwhelming effort by the the 116 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:46,240 chilean government 117 00:04:50,550 --> 00:04:47,840 it's all about the miners it's all about 118 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:50,560 the chilean's response and their 119 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:52,960 spirit and tenacity to go after that you 120 00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:54,320 know we were just pleased to be a part 121 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:01,270 we had a preconceived notion of what 122 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:03,360 things might apply from space flight to 123 00:05:07,749 --> 00:05:05,840 the chilean mine and what was surprising 124 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,759 to us and probably to our chilean 125 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:09,600 counterparts once we got down there and 126 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:11,520 actually understood what it was the 127 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:13,120 miners were going through and looked at 128 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:14,720 the difficulties 129 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:16,240 that the chilean health authorities and 130 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:18,560 the engineers were going to attempt to 131 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:20,560 tackle was how many things we could 132 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:22,400 actually translate from space flight 133 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:23,360 that were 134 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:24,560 over and above 135 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:27,280 anticipated 136 00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:29,360 whether it was the refeeding plan 137 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:30,639 whether it was the fluid loading 138 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,240 protocol that we use from the shuttle 139 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:34,080 and soyuz return 140 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:35,919 down to the requirements for how to 141 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:36,800 write 142 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:38,560 specific requirements for the escape 143 00:05:42,469 --> 00:05:40,479 module and what things to use in the 144 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:42,479 escape module and 145 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:44,560 how to guard against certain dangers or 146 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:46,960 hazards in the escape module so it 147 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:49,120 really ranged from engineering to 148 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:51,440 medical to psychological 149 00:05:54,790 --> 00:05:52,560 even 150 00:05:56,950 --> 00:05:54,800 our processes at nasa 151 00:06:00,390 --> 00:05:56,960 how we build 152 00:06:01,670 --> 00:06:00,400 leadership structures or how we develop 153 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:01,680 documents 154 00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:04,960 to instruct folks how to build certain 155 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:06,720 elements things that we're used to on a 156 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:08,400 day-to-day basis 157 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:10,000 that we take for granted we're actually 158 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,430 the urine test strip 159 00:06:18,790 --> 00:06:17,039 which can test for something we call 160 00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:18,800 specific gravity which can tell you how 161 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:20,639 well hydrated you are 162 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:23,039 ketones which can tell you whether or 163 00:06:26,629 --> 00:06:24,800 not you've got adequate nutrition or in 164 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:26,639 our starvation state 165 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:28,960 and even check for blood or myoglobin 166 00:06:32,469 --> 00:06:30,560 which is a protein 167 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:32,479 from muscle breakdown that can bombard 168 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:33,600 the kidney 169 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:35,440 that was very 170 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:36,479 fruitful 171 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:39,360 chileans 172 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:41,280 because they took that advice they used 173 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:42,560 that with the miners and they found out 174 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:44,800 that about 50 percent of those miners 175 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:47,680 had positive myoglobin for that protein 176 00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:49,039 breaking down 177 00:06:53,909 --> 00:06:51,280 which could cause kidney failure if left 178 00:06:58,150 --> 00:06:55,749 being confined in a high stress 179 00:06:59,430 --> 00:06:58,160 environment in an enclosed space 180 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:59,440 like the mine 181 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:01,360 can cause reactivation of viruses 182 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:04,080 epstein-barr virus herpes virus we see 183 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:05,199 that in space flight with the 184 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:07,520 reactivation of those viruses and that 185 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:09,520 can last for months even after you're 186 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:12,080 out on the surface or after the ordeal 187 00:07:16,070 --> 00:07:13,919 we see that months after astronauts 188 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:16,080 return from space flight the same thing 189 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:22,150 it was astounding to see it in this and 190 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:24,960 that type of in your face direct 191 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:27,440 applicability of space flight technology 192 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:29,680 and development and protocols that we've 193 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:31,759 had an engineering 194 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:33,199 expertise 195 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:35,680 used directly on the ground 196 00:07:43,749 --> 00:07:37,840 and there's no better payoff than to 197 00:07:48,309 --> 00:07:45,990 when we arrived down there at the end of 198 00:07:50,869 --> 00:07:48,319 august first of september 199 00:07:52,790 --> 00:07:50,879 there was a mindset which was rather 200 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:52,800 short-term 201 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:54,800 they were a mining community thinking 202 00:07:58,390 --> 00:07:56,720 about rescue and all the 203 00:08:02,869 --> 00:07:58,400 mine disasters that had occurred in the 204 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,879 past rescues occurred very quickly 205 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:04,400 one of the things we try to do is to 206 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:07,680 shift that mindset in the minors in the 207 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:10,000 families in the top side personnel and 208 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:11,919 in the message that went out from these 209 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:13,680 people 210 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:16,000 toward the long-term run so that their 211 00:08:20,309 --> 00:08:18,240 expectations 212 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,319 about when they might be coming out were 213 00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:22,479 more realistic and therefore their 214 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:24,879 coping would be more realistic therefore 215 00:08:32,469 --> 00:08:30,950 we provided information 216 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:32,479 and guidance 217 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:33,760 regarding 218 00:08:38,149 --> 00:08:35,760 individual self-control and how what 219 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:38,159 individual coping mechanisms could be 220 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:39,440 encouraged 221 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:42,399 by topside on the part of the miners 222 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:44,560 advice to give the miners some training 223 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:46,640 to give the miners about how to manage 224 00:08:51,430 --> 00:08:48,720 themselves and their emotions and their 225 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,440 expectations over a long period of time 226 00:08:55,509 --> 00:08:53,279 in a small space 227 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:55,519 about how to manage their relationships 228 00:08:58,870 --> 00:08:57,200 with other minors 229 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,880 and for the 230 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:00,480 leaders 231 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:02,480 and some of the key personnel is how to 232 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:05,040 manage team dynamics in confinement over 233 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:08,160 a long period of time 234 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:10,880 we were concerned about desynchrony 235 00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:12,720 among the miners of their sleep wake 236 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:15,040 cycles that they would start to perhaps 237 00:09:20,389 --> 00:09:16,959 free run 238 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:20,399 which is a situation in which your sleep 239 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:22,560 wake cycles begin to drift off the usual 240 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:24,560 24 hour 241 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:27,680 pattern so we wanted to entrain the 242 00:09:32,949 --> 00:09:30,240 individuals sleep wake cycles and their 243 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:32,959 internal clock so to speak 244 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:35,680 with a regular light dark pattern 245 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:38,000 which was similar to the one top side so 246 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:40,080 that they would be able to communicate 247 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:42,160 more effectively with topside people as 248 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:47,509 also made regular 249 00:09:51,829 --> 00:09:49,920 the social life down under so that 250 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:51,839 everyone was on the same wake up go to 251 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:53,680 sleep time 252 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:56,560 people were able to eat together 253 00:10:00,150 --> 00:09:58,240 there was communication with the doctor 254 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:00,160 at a certain time of day and so you had 255 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:02,160 this regularity which not only 256 00:10:07,670 --> 00:10:05,600 stabilizes an individual but stabilizes 257 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:07,680 their small community that they had down 258 00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:15,110 one of my recommendations was that nasa 259 00:10:19,350 --> 00:10:17,519 could help 260 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:19,360 perhaps flushing out some of these 261 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,880 requirements for the rescue capsule 262 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:24,959 upon returning to the united states i 263 00:10:28,069 --> 00:10:26,720 got an email from the minister of health 264 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:28,079 asking for that 265 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:30,000 asking for us to 266 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:31,680 to provide them some requirements for 267 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:34,160 the capsule and so i put together a team 268 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:35,040 of 269 00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:38,480 around 270 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:42,000 center 271 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:44,800 and over the course of three days we we 272 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:46,640 hammered out 273 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:49,600 about a 12 or 13 page 274 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:51,760 requirements list for the capsule and 275 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:56,069 after we had sent these requirements 276 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:57,519 down 277 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:59,519 i got a 278 00:11:03,110 --> 00:11:01,680 some communication with 279 00:11:05,430 --> 00:11:03,120 another 280 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:05,440 navy chilean navy commander that i had 281 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:08,240 met down there and he was intimately 282 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:10,640 involved in the design process of this 283 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:12,240 capsule 284 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:15,200 with the chilean navy engineers and he 285 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:18,240 told me that that they had incorporated 286 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:21,120 most of the suggestions that we had 287 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:26,470 when i saw the first 288 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:28,640 minor being extracted last night i was 289 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,440 uh 290 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:31,200 you know both happy and very relieved 291 00:11:36,550 --> 00:11:31,920 and 292 00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:36,560 final design of the capsule is working 293 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:38,959 just you know just great so i'm very 294 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:42,160 happy about that 295 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:43,519 a couple things that i'll remember most 296 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:45,360 about this whole experience is one one 297 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:46,800 is the uh 298 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:48,959 the open openness and graciousness of 299 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:51,040 the chilean people i thought they were 300 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:53,040 very very nice 301 00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:54,880 very 302 00:12:00,389 --> 00:11:58,560 of the things that we 303 00:12:01,910 --> 00:12:00,399 recommended they ought to do 304 00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:01,920 the other thing i'm taking away from 305 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:03,920 this is that 306 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:06,560 our agency is really really has a lot of 307 00:12:08,949 --> 00:12:08,240 exceptional people 308 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,959 and 309 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:10,800 that that 310 00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:13,360 20 or so engineers that uh offered to 311 00:12:17,350 --> 00:12:15,040 drop everything and work with me for 312 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:17,360 three days to put this requirements list 313 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:18,720 together i think 314 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:21,279 really exemplifies that the things that